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I think Psalm 91 is a great chapter to consider, too.
But, Rich, if this is all a conspiracy to get us on socialized medicine, it's a pretty bad sell. Biden aside, the government is being calm about this, especially in contrast to the way the Bush administration exploited citizens' fears. It's the media who ran away with this. And even then, the facts are there for people to realize how overstated this threat really is.
The fact that the media is running away with the story shows how desperate TV, newspaper and internet media is to exploit people's personal concerns to simply make money in the current economy...and that's just not right.
Let's not forget the media's love for our newly elected president, and how their push, backed by big business (not to mention names, ehm ... GE) got him and his loosly lipped VP elected. Say what you want with your one sided democratic views, but when you have to wait 4 months for your next doctor appointment, just remeber my words... I told you so. What the world needs now is leadership, and fear mongering by Bush or the current administration.
Sorry, but lumping Bush and Obama together doesn't work. They have to have something in common first. Obama earned much of his campaign support in small contributions - indicating a stronger grass-roots effort than you typically see in these elections - precisely because Bush was such an arrogant, incompetent stooge.
As long as the "other" party is in power, people of whatever political nature will be given reason to complain and fuss. That's how it's always gone.
Bush 41 and Reagan era Republicans complained when Clinton took the WH. Democrats complained when Bush 43 took the WH. Republicans complain as Barack Obama sits in power currently.
I could myself lump Obama and Bush together easily. Both Presidents want your money, they want to expand government and they don't have the interest of the common man at heart. But wait, that's also been the case during each sitting President for the past thirty years at least.
Politics is a game no one can win.
Big government (Obama & Bush, not to tie them together) is bad for the economy, and we all agree on that? yes, no . . . maybe?
I agree this thread has devolved a bit, but I just want to reassert that my political views are not knee-jerk to who is in office. It may appear that way because you think Obama and Bush are clones, and thus I must be defending Obama for what I despised in Bush just because he's my guy. Frankly, I find that insulting. You guys seem to imply that there's someone better out there who could bring lasting change and by doing it in a way that's neither liberal or conservative. Who? And what?
I find it equally, if not more insulting, that someone who dares to think out of the box is labeled as a fringe lunatic with no political base or vision simply because they don't subscribe to the accepted belief system.
That is in the agenda of the current administration in Washington: use bully tactics to intimidate those who don't agree with you. Since they have all the power they may as well use it in whatever way they possibly can.
Oh wait, that was the M.O. for the last administration too. You called that out repeatedly, but funny thing that you don't see it the people you so ardently support, Ian.
Hypocrisy much?
As to who can bring about change and what they can bring about, for God's sake we're at least trying to make a genuine effort to find out. That's more than can be said for anyone who subscribes to the same rhetoric and bile fed to them by the current bureaucrats in power from both parties.
I am all for being civil in these discussions but I get sick and tired of people needlessly playing the victim. Let's be intelligent about this.
We fought the British to abolish government control. And big government, no matter what party, is the enemy to common man. PERIOD.
Solutions to our problems don't come from people standing on the sidelines and clucking their tongues at those who have the nerve to believe in the people they elect. You know, I have a lot of problems with government as well. I don't agree with every Obama does or Biden says. But I'm not going to lump them with Bush-Cheney or all other politicians over some abstract concept like "power." That's what they exert. That's what we elect them to do, like it or not. And no one can tell me with a straight face that some third-party leader wouldn't do exactly the same thing.
Unfortunately they probably won't be given that chance as they've all been labeled a bunch of right-wing extremists by the DHS and the MIAC here in our own state.
We all have opinions and no one is going to change anyone's mind so let's let this thread that has strayed horribly off topic die right here.
Okay, here it is in a nutshell. With BUSH, we took our eye off the ball and let him do as pleased as long as he protected us. We're all guilty of wanting to be safe. But after time we realized that the safety net, was actually a diversion. So we asked for a change. Enter, OBAMA. Now, I agree that this canidate did have a lot of "grass root" support. But the change is doing, I'm sorry is not the change his supporters signed up for. So yes, people are mad. They're upset, because they told Bush, NO MORE SPENDING. Now they see Obama, with a bigger budget, 2/3's of which is pork spending, and they aren't going to take it lying down this time.
Ian, I have said before... it's a shame your guy is in now, because Obama, to me, seems like a cool cat. It's just bad timing. It's not a racist thing, and it's not a political party thing. It is a GLOBAL PROBLEM. Had we minded our business, and done as founding fathers had laid out for us... this mess, well not our problem.